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to cause more trouble than any other problem we have got fiscally and the united states. getting medicare costs under control as the number one thing. >> it you say we also surcharge smokers. and the obese for their medicare coverage. >> right. >> where did that idea come from? >> it came from all secured i am the person who put it in the memo but i did not have to fight very hard for it. also, is something i ran in "the washington post", calling people morbidly arby's -- i call them mega-fatties. and i was rebuked for being insensitive, which i probably am. but this is another thing where everybody knows this to be and someone has to pay for it. i do not think he should bankrupt people. but there should be penalties. , i am not really a democrat, but i am a democrat compared to him. but you have to be responsible for your personal behavior. >> quite right. we should point out that we are not the only ones making arguments like this. there have been other commissions. the task force that was headed by alice rivlin and peak demand shake off. they also said that with regard to medicare, we
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